Donald Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway on Wednesday disagreed with the GOP nominee on the issue of widespread voter fraud, saying she doesn't think it will happen.
She also argued during an often-heated MSNBC interview over whether Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is a "success story."
"No, I do not believe that," Conway told MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle during the nearly 20-minute "MSNBC Live" interview about Trump's claims on voter fraud. "So absent overwhelming evidence that there is, it would not be for me to say there is."
However, she told Ruhle there have been problems in the past when "people who are dead are still on the voter rolls. We know people are voting a couple different times in places, so you do hear reports here and there."
Trump's point is a larger one than just voter fraud, though, Conway said, telling Ruhle there is a "larger conspiracy, larger collusion."
The success story argument came up when Conway and Ruhle squared off over the guests Clinton and Trump have invited to Wednesday night's debate.
"I would contrast Pat Smith (mother of Benghazi victim Sean Smith) to whom the invitees are of Hillary Clinton," Conway said. "Mark Cuban, Meg Whitman. That's great, billionaire success stories. That's just another Wednesday night for Hillary Clinton, hanging out with billionaires."
Trump has also invited President Barack Obama's estranged half brother. Ruhle asked if the invitation meant the campaign is "winking at the birther issue again."
"What? No," Conway said.
"Let me just say the four people you just mentioned . . . one of them is not a self-made millionaire. One of them is not a job creator. One of them has been in government for decades and has very little to prove. All American success stories."
Clinton, Conway said, has not created jobs, but made money for her speeches, and she would like to know "who in the heck was paying her $250,000 to give a speech?"
Their conversation got more heated though, when the topic of the women accusing Trump of making unwanted sexual advances came up.
"Well, he has denied it," Conway said. "His wife agreed with him. You saw her all over the news."
"Hold on," Ruhle replied. "His wife agrees with the fact that he didn't cheat on her? That's crazy."
Conway attempted to turn the talk to the WikiLeaks revelations, but Ruhle returned to Trump's sex scandal.
"You're a mother," Ruhle said. "You're a woman. Are you more offended by the phrase average Americans or grabbing a woman's genitals?"
"The latter, and I've made that very clear," Conway said. "I made it very clear privately and publicly. There's no question. I agree with Melania Trump, Mike Pence and Donald Trump about that. His words are offensive and they're indefensible. Nobody's been asked to defend or condone them by the way."
"You've got to look at your kids when you go home at night — " Ruhle began, with Conway telling her that was not fair.
"I'm not going to let my kids watch the debate tonight," Ruhle told Conway. "I don't let my kids watch Donald Trump in fear that he will say to a woman in the audience, 'you're fat.' In fear that he'll make fun of someone."
"You'll let them watch Hillary Clinton?" Conway asked.
The pair also argued about the differences between the candidates' views on equal pay, the differences between the candidates' invited guests for Wednesday night's debate, and much more.
After about 20 minutes of sparring, Ruhle finally asked Conway what advice she would give Trump for Wednesday, with Conway responding in just one word: "Focus."
The story continues after the video.
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Conway, appearing on a less contentious Fox News interview, told "America's Newsroom" that part of Wednesday's focus will be on Clinton's insider status.
"If you want to recast the United States supreme court in the likeness of Hillary Clinton, don't vote for Donald Trump," Conway said. "Her record as secretary of state is not a pretty one. She owns the Russian reset, Libya, Benghazi."
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