Mary Gatter, medical director of Planned Parenthood Los Angeles, is seen in a new undercover sting video allegedly negotiating the sale price of aborted fetal specimens, as well as discussing the altering of abortion techniques to get intact specimens — an illegal practice.
The video, commissioned by The Center for Medical Progress, comes just a week after a similar one featuring Planned Parenthood's Deborah Nucatola, and one day after the organization told a Congressional committee it expected several such videos to surface in coming weeks and months.
At a business lunch with pro-life activists posing as medical buyers, Gatter discusses the possibility of altering abortion methods in order to harvest intact fetal tissues and organs for donation.
She seems to acknowledge that this is in violation of the law and the contract with the patient, but suggests she can do it nonetheless.
"If our usual [abortion] technique is suction, at 10 to 12 weeks, and we switch to using an IPAS [manual vacuum aspirator] or something with less suction, or to increase the odds that it will come out as an intact specimen, then we're kind of violating the protocol that says to the patient, 'We're not doing anything different in our care of you,'" Gatter explains.
"Now, to me, that's kind of a specious little argument, and I wouldn’t object to asking Ian, who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS at that gestational age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen," she tells the undercover videomakers.
Elsewhere in the lunch, she negotiates prices for the sale of the tissue specimens. During those negotiations, she jokes that she wants "a Lamborghini" in exchange for the aborted fetuses.
"What would you expect for intact [fetal] tissue?" the videomakers ask.
"Well, why don’t you start by telling me what you’re used to paying," Gatter responds. "You know, in negotiations whoever throws out the figure first is at a loss, right?"
In the U.S., it is illegal to sell fetal tissues and organs for profit, however it is legal to donate tissue and receive compensation for shipping and associated costs. In the video, Gatter seems to acknowledge this.
"We’re not in it for the money," she says. "We don't want to be in a position of being accused of selling tissue and stuff like that."
She then adds, however, that "on the other hand, there are costs associated with the use of our space, and all that kind of stuff." The sale price "has to be big enough that it’s worthwhile for me," she says.
"Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine. If it’s still low, then we can bump it up. I want a Lamborghini," she jokes.
Since The Center for Medical Practice released the video featuring Nucatola last week, multiple state governments and Congressional committees have called for investigations into Planned Parenthood's abortion practices and tissue donation practices.
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